I
wanted to bring in a discussion I’ve been having on Facebook recently with a
proponent of Reformed theology. One of the issues we’re discussing involves God’s
wrath. I maintain that God’s wrath is a dispositional, as opposed to intrinsic
or essential, property. That is, I maintain that God only is wrathful toward
those who are unregenerate, and would not have been wrathful had he chosen not
to create at all, or if he created no moral agents. The objection was that this
violated the doctrine of immutability, which he defined as God’s experiencing
no change within himself (he said “does not differ within himself”). I pick up
on my response to this issue, and I think it might be of interest.
“I'll
be happy to address the issues you raise. First, it's not clear what you mean
by immutability as never differing ‘within himself.’ What does this mean? Do
you mean intrinsic, or essential, properties? Well, fine then: my view has
always been (see above) that wrath is not an essential property of God. If you
mean that literally none of God's properties change in any circumstances, then
you must believe that all of God's properties are essential. But that engenders
many, many problems. I'll label some of them with letters: a) There is the
problem of God's contingent creation. Most people, who are not Edwardsian, take
it that God didn't have to create this world--indeed, most people take it that
God was not forced to create at all.
But if God holds all properties essentially, then that's not true--he was
forced to create, and forced to create this specific world. I'd rather give up
the radical belief that God holds all properties essentially than give up that
God was sovereign over his choice to create. b) The Second Person of the
Trinity was not always incarnate, meaning he took on human nature. But if God has all his properties
essentially, then the Second Person never lacked human flesh, and thus never
took it on. I'd rather give up the radical belief that God holds all properties
essentially than give up that the Second Person took on flesh roughly 2,000 years ago. There are a ton of other problems, but they're all
variants of the same property problem.
So
that leads to the second part of my critique: if God was not forced to create
(and forced to create this specific world), then there is a possible maximal
set of circumstances wherein God does not create any beings in his image, and
no moral agents. In these circumstances, there just is nothing on which to be
merciful or wrathful. Literally the only way out is to deny God had a choice in
creating, but that's too radical for me.
Lastly,
but I think incidentally, Scripture very plausibly doesn't intend to teach us
about the metaphysics of God and time when it uses these locutions. Why do I
think that? Well, first of all, the context of these various passages tends not
to support it. But second, it would engender biblical contradictions, which I'm
not a big fan of. Consider the texts that say, for example, that God exists
from everlasting to everlasting: if that is so, then God existed everlastingly
in the past, and time had no beginning, and God is temporal (just everlastingly
so). But then consider the statement that God has done some things ‘before
there was time’--that implies time had a beginning. Worse than that, that verse
is logically incoherent if taken completely literally as a metaphysical
statement about time, since ‘before’ is a temporal concept! Finally, there is
the famous verse about ‘a day with the Lord is as a thousand years’ in Psalms
and Peter. But that is used to claim God is not temporal. So we have God's
being temporal and time having no beginning, time's having a beginning and yet
things coming temporally before it, and God's being atemporal altogether. Do I
believe these are contradictory? No, but only because I don't take them to be
trying to teach us about the metaphysics of God and time. The biblical data on
this issue, as on many in philosophical or systematic theology, is
underdetermined: that is, appeals to the texts alone do not solve the issue: we
must integrate the text with our understanding of theology and see what
emerges. Reformed and non-Reformed alike do this on many things.”
Now
some of you may be confused as to my brief discussion on God, time, and the Bible,
but in context, he brought up the idea that God is wrathful from “eternity past”
on those who would reject him, and he appealed to the Bible. I also wanted to
emphasize that using philosophy—something the Reformed are outwardly usually
loathe to do—is not only unavoidable, it’s actually commendable when doing
theology and biblical interpretation. The only way one can interpret the Bible
while “not doing philosophy” is to front-load their philosophy into the text in
the first place! Anyway, my only point is to say that any theology that says
God created people in order to condemn them needs to check itself against good
thinking and the biblical picture of God.
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